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boem -0,87 met allemaal groene indexen als we niet +/-35% al verloren zouden hebben dan gebeuren die dingen maar als je in zo'n korte tijd zoveel omlaag gaat dan kan het gewoon niet zo zijn dat men elke dag de zelfde truc uithaalt. @#$%^%$#@!@#$%^&*&^%$#@#$%^&&^%$#@@#$&^%$#
Er staat nog een turbo long op 3,0775, wellicht willen de shorters die nog uitstoppen.
Een realistische kijk op Nokia,notabene een zeer grote investeerder.
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From Finnish paper:

STATE investment firm Solidium is concerned about Nokia's stumbling block in the fifth generation (5g) mobile phone technology.

“Nokia needs to be concerned because the downgrading of the future and the reasons behind it do not look good. An investor must always be a little paranoid [paranoid], but in this case very much, ”says Antti Mäkinen, CEO of Solidium.

Nokia's stock plummeted last week as the company significantly outperformed its future outlook, announced the realization of 5g risks and decided to suspend quarterly dividend due to additional investments in 5g technology.

With a 3.6% stake, Solidium is one of Nokia's largest shareholders. It owns 206 million Nokia shares. The value of the investment has decreased by EUR 250 million due to the collapse of the share following the interim report.

“The February 2018 estimate of profitability for 2020 was very bold. I wonder that the company will only announce in October 2019 that the target will not even be met in the near future. Many investors certainly think that we should have told about the drastic change in the future much earlier. ”

For the rest of the summer, Nokia maintained its January 2018 estimate of 9-12 percent this year and 12-16 next year. According to a new estimate, the operating profit margin this year would be 7.5-9.5 and next year 8-11.

In the long term, over 3 to 5 years, Nokia expects its operating margin to be 12 to 14, which is less than the target originally set for next year.

“It is also worth noting that the company's estimated operating profit margin for next year is reasonably good. The problem is that Nokia had set itself a much higher target. And when that goal is significantly worsened, this has resulted in a catastrophe for the stock market, ”says Mäkinen.

The problems with the 5g technology are due to the fact that Nokia used for a long time the microchips that are commonly used in the technological development phase of its products. As a result, the company's current products are not competitive and lags behind its competitors in 5g technology.

In order to correct its mistakes, Nokia will introduce efficient system circuits, which will require new investments. In addition, Nokia has had difficulty developing a system partner with its key partner.

Heikki Marjosola, Assistant Professor of Finance at the University of Helsinki, said last week that Nokia may have misled investors by delaying the announcement that its outlook will be significantly blurred to the interim report.

Nokia's CFO Pullola said after the interim report that the information was not pledged.

CEO Mäkinen does not want to comment directly on whether Nokia should have issued a profit warning before the interim report.

“It always depends on when the company has enough information to change its estimates of profitability. It is difficult for anyone to judge. In any case, it seems that the estimate made in early 2018 was unrealistic and should not have been given. ”

He also points out that Nokia has had far less contact with investors than many other large companies.

“For example, Nokia has not organized a capital market day for two years. The dialogue with investors should have been much better. ”

Capital Markets Day is an opportunity for company executives to provide investors and analysts with detailed information on the state and outlook of their business.

CEO Mäkinen says that Solidium met Nokia's CFO Kristian Pullola and mobile phone director Tommi Uito this week at two different events.

Based on discussions with Nokia executives, Solidium's main concerns have been allayed.

“We have the feeling and understanding that the problems in Nokia have been recognized and addressed a year ago. The changes needed are just such that they last for a long time. We need patience now, ”Mäkinen says.

eri09 schreef op 4 november 2019 17:14:

en weer geven we een kleine + weg in de laatste uren om weer rood te eindigen, zou echt graag weten wat er speelt en wie die organiseert want dit kan geen toeval meer zijn.
Dat vragen we allemaal af , de uitstel en de aarzeling in contracten doet NOKIA pijn maar er is voldoende G5 werk en dat moet toch renderen voor een bedrijf is het vandaag niet dan is het morgen , verder brengen hun licenties ook geld op .
Zou het koers manipulatie zijn of hangt er iets anders in de lucht ?
ik begin toch te denken dat er wel iets moet spelen, deze koersdruk kan toch niet alleen komen door "teleurstelling".

Nokia als bedrijf lijkt me toch wel levensvatbaar
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( - Nokia and Microsoft are partnering to offer communications service providers and enterprises shared solutions in artificial intelligence (AI) and the Internet of things (IoT).

Both companies today unveiled their first joint solutions combining Microsoft's cloud, AI and machine learning expertise with Nokia's networking and communications technologies.

British phone giant BT is the first communications service provider to distribute a managed service that integrates Microsoft's Azure cloud platform and Nokia's network-aware solutions to its corporate clients.

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Het blijft wachten op de veiling van de 5 G licenties in Europa en vervolgens de uitrol. Tot die tijd is het allemaal voorsorteren.
Begint wel n drama zooitje te worden hier zeg.....maar ja, t kan altijd lager en dat weten we.....
Microsoft and Nokia collaborate to accelerate digital transformation and Industry 4.0 for communications service providers and enterprises

Microsoft and Nokia collaborate to accelerate digital transformation and Industry 4.0 for communications service providers and enterprises
Companies announce their first joint solutions combining Microsoft cloud, AI and machine learning expertise with Nokia’s leadership across mission-critical networking and communications

REDMOND, Wash., and ESPOO, Finland — Nov. 5, 2019 — Microsoft and Nokia today announced a strategic collaboration to accelerate transformation and innovation across industries with cloud, Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Internet of Things (IoT). By bringing together Microsoft cloud solutions and Nokia’s expertise in mission-critical networking, the companies are uniquely positioned to help enterprises and communications service providers (CSPs) transform their businesses. As Microsoft’s Azure, Azure IoT, Azure AI and Machine Learning solutions combine with Nokia’s LTE/5G-ready private wireless solutions, IP, SD-WAN, and IoT connectivity offerings, the companies will drive industrial digitalization and automation across enterprises, and enable CSPs to offer new services to enterprise customers.

BT is the first global communications service provider to offer its enterprise customers a managed service that integrates Microsoft Azure cloud and Nokia SD-WAN solutions. BT customers can access this through a customer automated delegated rights service, which enables BT to manage both the customer Azure vWAN and the unique Agile Connect SD-WAN, based on Nokia’s Nuage SD-WAN 2.0.

“Bringing together Microsoft’s expertise in intelligent cloud solutions and Nokia’s strength in building business and mission-critical networks will unlock new connectivity and automation scenarios,” said Jason Zander, executive vice president, Microsoft Azure. “We’re excited about the opportunities this will create for our joint customers across industries.”

“We are thrilled to unite Nokia’s mission-critical networks with Microsoft’s cloud solutions,” said Kathrin Buvac, President of Nokia Enterprise and Chief Strategy Officer. “Together, we will accelerate the digital transformation journey towards Industry 4.0, driving economic growth and productivity for both enterprises and service providers.”

The cloud and IoT have ushered in the fourth industrial revolution, or Industry 4.0, wherein enterprises are embracing data to automate and streamline processes across all aspects of their businesses. By joining forces, the two companies are bringing solutions to market that will simplify and accelerate this journey for enterprises, as well as enable CSPs to play a key role in helping their customers realize the potential of industrial digitalization and automation while also optimizing and better differentiating their own businesses.

Accelerating digital transformation for enterprises
Microsoft and Nokia are partnering to help accelerate digital transformation for enterprises by offering connectivity and Azure IoT solutions that unlock connected scenarios across multiple industries including digital factories, smart cities, warehouses, healthcare settings, and transportation hubs such as ports, airports and more.

The Nokia Digital Automation Cloud (Nokia DAC) 5G-ready industrial-grade private wireless broadband solution with on-premise Azure elements will enable a wide variety of secure industrial automation solutions that require more reliable connectivity, efficient coverage and better mobility than traditional Wi-Fi networks provide. For example, connected smart tools and machines on manufacturing floors that enable increased productivity, flexibility and safety for workers, or autonomous vehicles and robots in industrial environments that improve automation, efficiency and overall safety.

Enabling new enterprise services offered by service providers
Nokia’s Nuage SD-WAN 2.0 solution now enables service providers to offer integration with Microsoft Azure Virtual WAN for branch to cloud connectivity, with the companies planning to offer more options for branch internet connectivity in 2020. By automating branch and hybrid WAN connectivity, enterprises will have simplified, faster access to cloud applications such as Office 365, integrated security from branch-to-branch and branch-to-Azure and reduced risk of configuration errors causing security or connectivity issues.

Furthermore, the companies are integrating Nokia’s Worldwide IoT Network Grid (WING) with Azure IoT Central to make the onboarding, deployment, management and servicing of IoT solutions seamless. This integration provides CSPs with the opportunity to offer their enterprises a single platform including vertical solutions to enable secure connected IoT services, such as asset tracking and machine monitoring on a national or global scale. Enterprises will be able to use Azure IoT Central and partner solutions for faster and easier enablement and implementation of their IoT applications together with Nokia’s IoT connectivity solutions.

Driving digital transformation for CSPs
Microsoft and Nokia are collaborating to host Nokia’s Analytics, Virtualization and Automation (AVA) cognitive services solutions on Azure. These AI solutions will enable CSPs to move out of private data centers and into the Azure cloud to realize cost savings and transform operations for 5G. Predictive Video Analytics is an example of a joint solution that will ensure optimal video experiences for CSP subscribers, improving reliability by up to 60 percent.
denk het niet hoop het wel maar we moeten toch eens enkele dagen krijgen tussen de +2% tot +10% voor wat herstel want is gewoon een goed bedrijf metmeer dan 2000 patenten en ontvangt dacht 3 euro per verkochte 5g telefoon dus reken maar uit wat dat alleen al gat opbrengen
oh oh wordt er nu weer een begin gemaakt om de koers weer te drukken ben benieuwd

nu 3,2565 15:35
laatste 15 minuten zal het wel weer omlaag gaan stonden een uurtje terug op 3,3 nu alweer duidelijk lager, maar wel groen hoop ik
Goed forum dit - veel nuttige bijdragen:

Marshall Wace heeft een eerste short positie gemeld - of te wel, zij zagen t ook niet aankomen.. (schrale troost):
Bedank voor de link @NLvalue
Ik mag toch hopen dat we de grootste rit naar beneden hebben gehad i.t.t. MW.
Een echte hersteldag hebben we ook nog niet gehad.
Wordt een gevalletje lage adem vrees ik.
Faire aanname - als t inderdaad een technologische achterstand is door de chip keuze gaat dat 8-12mnd duren voordat nieuwe designs zich in commerciele proposties vertalen.

Als t momentum blijft in de rest van de business komen ze daar wel doorheen richting 2021+
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