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  1. jrxs4all 5 augustus 2010 15:59
    quote:

    Jasperk schreef:

    Zullen we dit een oproep noemen?
    Ik ben in bezit van flink aantal obligaties Islandbani8%. Beleggers in Ijslandse obligaties weten er alles van.
    Ik heb mij aangemeld bij GlitnirBanki om nog iets terug te zien van de ingelegde gelden. Mijn claim ingediend maar is geweigerd. Hoe durven ze! ...
    Waarom is die claim geweigerd ?

    JR
  2. Arno1956 29 maart 2011 16:48
    Gisteren en vandaag weer veel beweging bij IKB funding trust II. Kan nergens nieuws vinden. Iemand anders wel?

    quote:

    ivo troost schreef:

    [...]

    de capital raising IKB 7,50% DE0007490724 is niet gestegen.
    die staat nog aan 18% terwijl de IKB funding trust 6,50 inderdaad flink gestegen nr 29%is nalv de eventuele verkoop.
    reden ?? onbekend is onbemind, neem ik aan, heb vandaag wat gekocht aan 18%.
    ter info,

    IT

  5. forum rang 4 shaai 13 december 2012 20:10
    Het bod op de IKB perps van 16-21% was verlengd, maar uiteindelijk niet doorgegaan.

    Inmiddels lijkt Lone Star (de eigenaar van IKB)via "LSF 6 Rio S.a.r.l.", een volledige dochteronderneming van Lone Star, van plan om goedkoop van Stille Beteiligung-en Hybrid Raising (ISIN DE000A0AMCG6 ) en Capital Raising (ISIN DE0007490724 ) af te willen komen. Ze hebben een vergadering bijeengeroepen om dat voor elkaar te kunnen krijgen.

    Dat is vooralsnog niet gelukt, en er zijn ook tegenvoorstellen gedaan.
    Zie: www.hybrid-raising.de/
    o.a. (in het Engels, ook in Duits beschikbaar) www.hybrid-raising.de/pdf/Gegenantrag...

    en zie ook: www.capital-raising.de/

    Hoewel de voorwaarden voor de perps en de Stille Beteiligungen verschillen, is het naar mijn mening zo dat niet rente hoeft te worden betaald op de IKB perps voordat dat ook geldt voor de beide Hybrid en Captital Raising. Dus de uiteindelijke liability (of althans het moment van toeokmstige couponbetalingen) voor Lone Star of een toekomstige IKB eigenaar is niet zo heel verschillend (op de coupon na). Dat Lone Star/IKB voor de IKB perps 16-21% wil neerleggen, wat uiteindelijk te weinig was voor beleggers, maar voor de beide Raisings via een loophole in de wet aangestuurd wordt op slechts ca 5% komt dan ook niet goed op mij over, noch op de belegger die het tegenvoorstel indiende. Wellicht is bij voldoende weerstand tegen de Lone Star voorstellen/steun voor de tegenvoorstellen (bij de afgelopen zitting was dat mogelijk via proxy-voting/per volmacht) mogelijk dat IKB (Lone Star) evenals voor de IKB perpetuals bereid is ook veel meer te betalen dan die 5% om ze 'uit de weg te ruimen'.

    groet shaai disclaimer: long zowel Capital Raising als ook Hybrid Raising
  7. forum rang 4 shaai 18 februari 2014 18:44
    Je bedoelt 11 voor de Hybrid Raising of Capital Raising?
    Ik denk door naderende verkoop.

    (Reuters) - Private equity investor Lone Star LS.UL has hired Rothschild ROT.UL and Bank of America Merrill Lynch (BAC.N) as advisors for the planned sale of German corporate bank IKB (IKBG.F), two people familiar with the transaction said.

    The sale of one of the highest-profile German casualties of the financial crisis is likely to begin shortly, they said, as upcoming European bank health tests put pressure on Lone Star to find a financially robust home for the lender.

    It is likely to spark the interest of banks hoping to expand business with medium-sized German companies. Potential suitors include BNP Paribas (BNPP.PA), Societe Generale (SOGN.PA), Santander (SAN.MC) or HSBC (HSBA.L), the people said.

    "Lone Star has shown that it is ready to exit German banking assets now," said one person close to the sale.

    Lone Star, IKB, Rothschild, Bank of America, BNP Paribas, Societe Generale, Santander and HSBC declined to comment.

    U.S. investor Lone Star, which owns 91.5 percent of IKB, sold property lender Corealcredit RWBG.UL to Aareal Bank (ARLG.DE) in a 342-million-euro ($464 million) deal in December.

    IKB was known before the financial crisis mainly as a lender to mid-sized German companies. It required several bailouts from development bank KfW KFW.UL and the German state after its off-balance sheet investment vehicles ran into funding problems in 2007.

    Following the rescues, IKB was taken over by KfW, which sold it to Lone Star in August 2008 for 137 million euros.

    By late 2012, IKB had returned the last of the 12 billion euros in state guarantees it received from Germany's bank bailout fund Soffin during the crisis, and its Chief Executive Hans Joerg Schuettler said late last year that a restructuring of the lender was now largely complete.

    IKB now has a market capitalization of 432 million euros, but the sources familiar with the sale said the current stock price was unlikely to be a good indication of how much a sale could be worth.

    STRESS TEST

    Potential buyers will be allowed to bid for individual parts of IKB, one of the sources said, adding that Lone Star aimed to conclude a deal this year.

    IKB reported a profit of 8 million euros for the six-month period ending in September, compared with a 51 million-euro loss in the same period last year, mainly because of lower legal and consulting costs.

    Bankers said a sale of IKB to a peer with a strong balance sheet may help the German lender pass European bank health checks that the European Central Bank and the European Banking Authority are running this year.

    IKB is the smallest German bank deemed important enough to be supervised from November by the ECB rather than the national regulator. IKB said last year it could meet the ECB's demands, but it would not be easy.

    Tested banks will need to have minimum Core Tier 1 equity capital of 8 percent of risk-weighted assets by the end of 2013, something IKB described as a "surprisingly harsh" requirement "that left banks little time to react".

    IKB's balance sheet totaled 25.8 billion euros at the end of September, compared with 1.65 trillion euros at Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE), Germany's largest bank.

    (Reporting by Arno Schuetze; editing by Maria Sheahan and Tom Pfeiffer)
  10. forum rang 4 zeurpietje 7 maart 2014 18:38
    is er iemand die kan overzien wat er bij verkoop van IKB zal gebeuren met de hybr. rising die vlgs mij voor 0% op de balans staat. de koers is de laatste tijd behoorlijk opgelopen. heb wel begrepen dat deze lening weer naar 100% van de nominale waarde moet worden gebracht voordat er enig dividend wordt betaald, maar wat bij verkoop van IKB(eventueel in delen)voordat er enig dividend wordt betaald?
  11. forum rang 4 shaai 5 april 2014 22:18
    in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/04/lon...

    * Tentative bids for IKB due in mid-April -sources

    * HSBC, BNP, SocGen, Santander, SEB likely to bid -sources

    * Corporate loans could fetch up to 1.5x book value -sources (Adds valuation, details)

    By Arno Schuetze

    FRANKFURT, April 4 (Reuters) - Private equity investor Lone Star is expected to receive bids from some large European banks for corporate bank IKB, one of Germany's high-profile victims of the financial crisis, two people familiar with the transaction said.

    IKB was the first German bank to require a bailout during the crisis and has become one of the first to be put up for sale during a health check on Europe's banks this year by regulators.

    The bank, known before the crisis mainly as a lender to mid-sized German companies, has described the demands of the banking industry check-up as "surprisingly harsh".

    Potential bidders such as HSBC, BNP Paribas , Societe Generale, Santander and SEB received information packages on IKB in early March and have been asked to return with non-binding offers by a mid-April deadline, the people said.

    Some of these banks, which all aim to expand their business with medium-sized German companies, are only interested in the corporate lending activities and not the whole bank, they added.

    Lone Star, which owns 91.5 percent of IKB, has allowed bidders to consider buying parts of IKB and will likely ask for more money for its most prized assets.

    "Shedding just the corporate loan business would mean that Lone Star pay itself for winding down the remaining assets, like IKB's leasing business or back-office operations," one of the sources said. The source added that some of the bidders could attach that part of the business to their own corporate lending operations and generate significant benefits.

    Any bidder interested only in IKB's crown asset - a roughly 10 billion euro book of loans to German corporate clients - may have to pay up to 1.2-1.3 billion euros, in line with the valuation of peers, which trade at 1.5 times book value, another source said.

    IKB required several bailouts from development bank KfW and the German state after its off-balance sheet investment vehicles ran into funding problems in 2007.

    Following the rescues, IKB was taken over by KfW, which sold it to Lone Star in August 2008 for 137 million euros.

    In December, U.S. investor Lone Star showed it was ready to exit its German banking assets when selling property lender Corealcredit to Aareal Bank in a 342-million-euro deal.

    Bankers said a sale of IKB - which posted a profit of 39 million euros for the nine-months to December - to a rival with a strong balance sheet could help the German bank pass the European bank health checks.

    IKB is the smallest German bank deemed important enough to be supervised from November by the European Central Bank rather than the national regulator. IKB said last year it could meet the ECB's demands, but it would not be easy.

    IKB, HSBC, BNP Paribas, Societe Generale, Santander and SEB declined to comment, while Lone Star was not available for comment. (Reporting by Arno Schuetze; Editing by Tom Atkins and Jane Merriman)
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