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Beursplein 5 schreef:
[quote=de bos]
BP5 je hebt gelijk dat het interessant is om ook deze perp te behandelen, maar waarom dit in tig draadjes (vorig jaar heb je deze ook behandeld!)
Je laadt daarmee terecht de verdenking op je dat je van je eigen stukken afwilt.
1 draadje is genoeg (en dan nog het liefst die oude want daar stond al veel info in. Dat het steeds minder over beleggen gaat doe je op deze manier zelf aan mee.
de bos
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Verkopen loont niet tegen de huidige lage koers. Het bod is immers fors hoger. Bovendien zijn er op de beurs geen andere obligaties die een beter alternatief bieden.
Voor meer informatie: Trust Company of Canada:
001-416-933-8504.
Ja dus, had bos dus gelijk
crackedtooth schreef:
Ja dus, had bos dus gelijk
Dus volgens u heeft iedere discussie over de waarde van een aandeel of de prijs van een obligatie dat doel? De bos heeft op IEX ook discussies geplaatst over een obligatie van NIBC. Dus wat was het doel daarvan? Dus u bent tegen alle informatie, of iedere discussie over de prijs, de verwachtingen van aandelen en obligaties?
U lijkt wel een politicus, de vraag handig omzeilen, want ja.. u heeft dus blijkbaar een positie erin. En dan 4 maal spammen over illiquide product waarin u een positie heeft, daar ging de kritiek over , niet over product zelf. Twee kan ik me nog voorstellen, maar "on top" gedrag samen met eerdere constatering dan heb je de schijn tegen inderdaad. en anderen vonden uw politieke gespam ook al niet zo fijn, misschien tijd voor zelfreflectie en verbetering ?
arjan k schreef:
*russiche treinen*
Sinds wanneer is Rusland van vòòr 1917 hetzelfde als Canada nu?
Wat is jullie mening over de huidige koers (notering vandaag rond 52,70%)?
Beursplein 5 schreef:
Wat is jullie mening over de huidige koers (notering vandaag rond 52,70%)?
Alle perpetuele leningen zijn m.i. gevaarlijk om te kopen vanwege het ogenschijnlijke hoge rendement. Indien CPR de obligatie gunstig zou gaan aflossen is het natuurlijk een ander verhaal, maar dan zou theoretisch -nu- de koers bij die van de toekomstige aflossing moeten liggen. De rente beweegt zich al jaren richting de nul. Kan het nog veel verder ? Bij nul stopt het toch echt. Alleen als je echte deflatie verwacht waarbij ook de prijs van arbeid daalt, dan is het een een goedkope obligatie. Je zult dan moeten uitvinden of er inflatie of deflatie komt. Ik ken slechts 1 vermogensbeheerder met naam die deflatie verwacht, Hugh Hendry. De rest die een hoge juiste voorspelling deden verwachten allemaal inflatie, vaak 2 cijferig. Inflatie kan soms selectief zijn. Zou de enorme stijging van de huizenprijzen van de laatste jaren gewichtsprocentig door de autoriteiten in het inflatiecijfer tot uitdrukking zijn gebracht ? Wonen is nl een grote uitgavepost van het inkomen. Als de obligatie niet tegen gunstige voorwaarden wordt afgelost is hij denk ik normaal geprijst, maar vol met potentieel risico. Je koopt een perpetuele lening het liefst bij een hoge rentestand en verkoopt hem als de rek er uit is bij een lage rentestand. Nu 2010 lijkt me de rente wel heel erg laag na bijna 30 jaar langzame daling.
Hmm schreef:
[quote=Beursplein 5 ]
Wat is jullie mening over de huidige koers (notering vandaag rond 52,70%)?
[/quote]
Alle perpetuele leningen zijn m.i. gevaarlijk om te kopen vanwege het ogenschijnlijke hoge rendement. Indien CPR de obligatie gunstig zou gaan aflossen is het natuurlijk een ander verhaal, maar dan zou theoretisch -nu- de koers bij die van de toekomstige aflossing moeten liggen. De rente beweegt zich al jaren
richting de nul. Kan het nog veel verder ? Bij nul stopt het toch echt. Alleen als je echte deflatie verwacht waarbij ook de prijs van arbeid daalt, dan is het een een goedkope obligatie. Je zult dan moeten uitvinden of er inflatie of deflatie komt. Ik ken slechts 1 vermogensbeheerder met naam die deflatie verwacht, Hugh Hendry. De rest die een hoge juiste voorspelling deden verwachten allemaal inflatie, vaak 2 cijferig. Inflatie kan soms selectief zijn. Zou de enorme stijging van de huizenprijzen van de laatste jaren gewichtsprocentig door de autoriteiten in het inflatiecijfer tot uitdrukking zijn gebracht ? Wonen is nl een grote uitgavepost van het inkomen. Als de obligatie niet tegen gunstige voorwaarden wordt afgelost is hij denk ik normaal geprijst, maar vol met potentieel risico.
Je koopt een perpetuele lening het liefst bij een hoge rentestand en verkoopt hem als de rek er uit is bij een lage rentestand. Nu 2010 lijkt me de rente wel heel erg laag na bijna 30 jaar langzame daling.
Goede analyse. "Indien CPR de obligatie gunstig zou gaan aflossen is het natuurlijk een ander verhaal". Er is een terugkoopbod ter hoogte van circa 115% t.o.v. de huidige koers. Kopen en aanbieden is dus ook een mogelijkheid. Deze obligatie noteert op de beurs van Londen 68,68%. Eén van de voorwaarden van deze debenture stock: "When the society does not pay interest to the holders of this debenture stock, the holders have the right to take over the company". Dat is nogal een forse garantie. Van de opbrengst van de uitgifte van deze obligatie in 1889 werd ruim 2400 kilometer spoor aangelegd.
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June 11, 2010 (Reuters) - Canadian Pacific Railway Ltd: * Moody's upgrades ratings of perpetual consolidated debenture stock issued by Canadian Pacific Railway Company
Rating Aaa (vanaf 11 juni 2010) Debt Detail: CUS:136447AX7 Export Results: 4 Sale Date Rating Office New York Original Face Value GBP 12 mil. Debt has Support Yes Support Type Supporting Entity Seniority Rating Office New York Rating History Date Rating Rating Action No records available 11 Jun 2010 Aaa Upgrade 11 Jun 2010 Aaa Upgrade 03 Jul 1996 Aa2 New 03 Jul 1996 Aa2 New
Rating Class History Export Results: 6 Date Currency Rating Rating Action 11 Jun 2010 foreign Aaa Upgrade 03 Jul 1996 foreign Aa2 New 15 May 1989 foreign WR Withdrawn 22 Mar 1989 foreign Aa3 Upgrade 26 Apr 1982 foreign A1 Modified Rating Notation 09 Aug 1979 foreign A New
Moody's ratings Long-term obligation ratings Investment grade Aaa Moody judges obligations rated Aaa to be the highest quality,[7] with the "smallest degree of risk".[8] Aa1, Aa2, Aa3 Moody judges obligations rated Aa to be high quality, with "very low credit risk",[7] but "their susceptibility to long-term risks appears somewhat greater".[8] A1, A2, A3 Moody judges obligations rated A as "upper-medium grade", subject to "low credit risk",[7] but that have elements "present that suggest a susceptibility to impairment over the long term".[8] Baa1, Baa2, Baa3 Moody judges obligations rated Baa to be "moderate credit risk".[7] They are considered medium-grade and as such "protective elements may be lacking or may be characteristically unreliable".[8] Speculative grade (Also known as High Yield or 'Junk') Ba1, Ba2, Ba3 Moody judges obligations rated Ba to have "questionable credit quality."[8] B1, B2, B3 Moody judges obligations rated B as speculative and "subject to high credit risk",[7] and have "generally poor credit quality."[8] Caa1, Caa2, Caa3 Moody judges obligations rated Caa as of "poor standing and are subject to very high credit risk",[7] and have "extremely poor credit quality. Such banks may be in default..."[8] Ca Moody judges obligations rated Ca as "highly speculative"[7] and are "usually in default on their deposit obligations".[8] C Moody judges obligations rated C as "the lowest rated class of bonds and are typically in default,"[7] and "potential recovery values are low".[8] Bron: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moody's
Sinds 11 juni 2010 is aan deze obligatie door Moody's de hoogst mogelijke rating toegekend (Aaa). "Moody judges obligations rated Aaa to be the highest quality, with the "smallest degree of risk."
Beursplein 5 schreef:
Sinds 11 juni 2010 is aan deze obligatie door Moody's de hoogst mogelijke rating toegekend (Aaa).
"Moody judges obligations rated Aaa to be the highest quality, with the "smallest degree of risk."
gaven ze aan de amerikaanse subprime hypotheeken ook
crackedtooth schreef:
[quote=Beursplein 5 ]
Sinds 11 juni 2010 is aan deze obligatie door Moody's de hoogst mogelijke rating toegekend (Aaa).
"Moody judges obligations rated Aaa to be the highest quality, with the "smallest degree of risk."
[/quote]
gaven ze aan de amerikaanse subprime hypotheeken ook
Kom eens met een positieve reactie of een zinvolle bijdrage. Makkelijk he, kritiek leveren!
Nog niet van je stukjes af dan ?
Wat is het probleem? Canadian Pacific heeft een bod gedaan dat fors hoger is dan de huidige koers. Het is beter om bij te kopen.
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